Comments on: Holocaust denial ban to go ahead http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/ "The freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form." Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:08:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: wtckumi http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-54589 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:43:16 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-54589 cool site for my mind its very goodPlease, send your abuse here!!! send.your.abuse.here@gmail.com cool site for my mind its very goodPlease, send your abuse here!!! send.your.abuse.here@gmail.com

]]> by: Bernard Darnton http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4981 Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:44:31 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4981 I first came across Zündel in <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/0805070893" alt="Amazon: Why People Believe Weird Things" rel="nofollow">Why People Believe Weird Things</a></i> but I haven't followed his latest trial - and this is the first I've heard of his lawyer being charged with similar offences. H. L. Mencken also observed these ugly poster children: <i>The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.</i> I first came across Zündel in Why People Believe Weird Things but I haven’t followed his latest trial - and this is the first I’ve heard of his lawyer being charged with similar offences.

H. L. Mencken also observed these ugly poster children: The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

]]> by: lyndon http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4920 Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:28:45 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4920 Did you follow the Ernst Zundel trial at all? And <a href="http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/03/german-lawyer-of-holocaust-denier.php" rel="nofollow">his lawyer</a>? I've remarked before that it's sad free speech has such ugly poster children. Did you follow the Ernst Zundel trial at all? And his lawyer?

I’ve remarked before that it’s sad free speech has such ugly poster children.

]]> by: Nicholas O'Kane http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4916 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:24:29 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4916 The idea of banning holocaust denial is no doubt a restriction on freedom of speech. The evidence that the Nazi holocaust occured is so strong that I doubt if even the holocaust deniers themselves genuinely beleive that the holocaust never happened. The limitation on it being used to incite racial hatred or racial violence are a weak safegaurd. For instance if a german neonazi organization were to claim/lie that the holocaust was a myth invented by Jews to make themselves look like victims and promote sympaty for them while making Germans look bad, could, unless inciting racial hate was tightly defined, be labbled inciting racial hate. Furhter banning holocaust denial might only give more publicity for those few idiots who deny those tragic events. The issue of banning denial of Stalins crimes, Armwnian genocide, shows that there could be a slipery slope involved with this ban. The idea of banning holocaust denial is no doubt a restriction on freedom of speech. The evidence that the Nazi holocaust occured is so strong that I doubt if even the holocaust deniers themselves genuinely beleive that the holocaust never happened. The limitation on it being used to incite racial hatred or racial violence are a weak safegaurd. For instance if a german neonazi organization were to claim/lie that the holocaust was a myth invented by Jews to make themselves look like victims and promote sympaty for them while making Germans look bad, could, unless inciting racial hate was tightly defined, be labbled inciting racial hate. Furhter banning holocaust denial might only give more publicity for those few idiots who deny those tragic events. The issue of banning denial of Stalins crimes, Armwnian genocide, shows that there could be a slipery slope involved with this ban.

]]> by: Luke H http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4649 Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:25:26 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4649 Heh, I was just looking at an article about these laws and came here to see if you'd posted about it already, and here it is! Phil suggested you post about the Hastings bullies who posted the Youtube video. Heh, I was just looking at an article about these laws and came here to see if you’d posted about it already, and here it is!

Phil suggested you post about the Hastings bullies who posted the Youtube video.

]]> by: cearta.ie » Blog Archive » Holocaust Denial in the EU http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4642 Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:08:38 +0000 http://www.freespeech.org.nz/section14/2007/04/20/holocaust-denial-ban-to-go-ahead/#comment-4642 [...] The Holocaust Memorial Day Trust will be holding its second annual conference on Monday 30th April at the Town Hall in Leeds, England (conference details pdf here). No doubt there will be much discussion of the merits of legislation against holocaust denial. The German proposal in January to have the EU make holocuast denial a criminal offence as a matter of EU law (blogged here by me, and with great insight by Section 14 and Liberal England) was debated in the Parliament in March, and was adopted by the Council of Ministers yesterday (see: press release (pdf) &#124; BBC &#124; FT (also here) &#124; IHT &#124; Independent &#124; Irish Times &#124; David Farrar&#8217;s Kiwiblog &#124; Dizzythinks &#124; Johnathan Calder on Liberal England &#124; Marketplace of Ideas &#124; and of course Section 14). From the EU press release: The following intentional conduct will be punishable in all EU Member States: [...] […] The Holocaust Memorial Day Trust will be holding its second annual conference on Monday 30th April at the Town Hall in Leeds, England (conference details pdf here). No doubt there will be much discussion of the merits of legislation against holocaust denial. The German proposal in January to have the EU make holocuast denial a criminal offence as a matter of EU law (blogged here by me, and with great insight by Section 14 and Liberal England) was debated in the Parliament in March, and was adopted by the Council of Ministers yesterday (see: press release (pdf) | BBC | FT (also here) | IHT | Independent | Irish Times | David Farrar’s Kiwiblog | Dizzythinks | Johnathan Calder on Liberal England | Marketplace of Ideas | and of course Section 14). From the EU press release: The following intentional conduct will be punishable in all EU Member States: […]

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